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3 years 2 months ago #38206 by Branko
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Hello,


I have Villa vith 8 apartment
- Apartment 1 => Room Type: number of beds 4+1
- Apartment 2 => Room Type: number of beds 2+2
- Apartment 3 => Room Type: number of beds 3+1
- Apartment 4 => Room Type: number of beds 3+2
- Apartment 5 => Room Type: number of beds 2+3
- Apartment 6 => Room Type: number of beds 2+2
- Apartment 7 => Room Type: number of beds 2+2
- Apartment 8 => Room Type: number of beds 3+1

There are 5 different room type, but Apartment 2 and Apartment 6 have different tariffs for periods.
Apartment 201.06. - 30.06.30.06. - 01.09.30.06. - 01.09.29.09. - 02.06.
Price40 €55 €40 €30 €
Apartment 601.06. - 30.06.30.06. - 01.09.30.06. - 01.09.29.09. - 02.06.
Price40 €60 €40 €35 €

What is the correct way to determine the property type MRP/SRP, And how I can define teriff and price per apartmen correctly?
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3 years 2 months ago #38219 by Marinhio
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Please read the manual.jomres.net
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3 years 2 months ago #38222 by Nikos C
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You should create 8 types of apartments and assign a tariff to each one.
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3 years 2 months ago #38239 by Branko
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Thank you all for reply,

Marinhio, I have not found solution in jomres manual for my case. Maybe I do not see explanation in the manual, it is more helpful if you send me links where they are described.

Nikos C, Registered users create their own property / business, in Jomres they have not inserting option for room type, actually they choose between offered room types.

I need solution where all registered users submit MRP property/Business, and have ability to set up different tariffs for same room type, where room name are different.


thanks
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3 years 2 months ago #38244 by Nikos C
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Branko wrote: I need solution where all registered users submit MRP property/Business, and have ability to set up different tariffs for same room type, where room name are different.


Unfortunately in Jomres you can setup tariffs based on room types and not on room names (I wish that was possible).
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3 years 1 week ago #39485 by cedric
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Nikos C wrote:

Branko wrote: I need solution where all registered users submit MRP property/Business, and have ability to set up different tariffs for same room type, where room name are different.


Unfortunately in Jomres you can setup tariffs based on room types and not on room names (I wish that was possible).


can we make this a feature request tariffs mapped on room name instead of the global room types
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3 years 1 week ago #39486 by Vince Wooll
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It's not going to happen, I think.

Linking tariffs to room types is integral to how the system works. Without a REALLY compelling reason for doing it, I can't see a big benefit to linking tariffs to rooms instead unless we were going to have some invisible room types.

It's doable, but is it worth it in the longer term? At this point, I don't see it.

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3 years 1 week ago - 3 years 1 week ago #39488 by cedric
Replied by cedric on topic Tariff per room name
hi vince,

i have this situation where hotel is giving me 2 room allotment(availability ) for (room name)standard room single and (room name)Deluxe room single, Superior Room single and they're all map to the global type room single bed and now my problem is how to split this allotment(availability) for this 3 room names and this is just for the single bed, i cannot put availability on tariffs, im thinking of adding global room types of deluxe room and standard room but sooner or later this will grow into a huge list of trade name room types in room search module.

please advise if i miss something
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3 years 1 week ago #39502 by Nikos C
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Vince Wooll wrote: It's not going to happen, I think.

Linking tariffs to room types is integral to how the system works. Without a REALLY compelling reason for doing it, I can't see a big benefit to linking tariffs to rooms instead unless we were going to have some invisible room types.

It's doable, but is it worth it in the longer term? At this point, I don't see it.


Vince,
the following is an example of a very common and real situation (we have discussed that in another post)
A hotel offers two types of rooms with different features and price. Room A and Room B.
With the way Jomres works right now, is it possible to create two different tariffs for these two rooms with just one resource type? Creating a different type of resource for each room is not an option as it is actually the same thing, a room.
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3 years 1 week ago #39505 by cedric
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Nikos C wrote:

Vince Wooll wrote: It's not going to happen, I think.

Linking tariffs to room types is integral to how the system works. Without a REALLY compelling reason for doing it, I can't see a big benefit to linking tariffs to rooms instead unless we were going to have some invisible room types.

It's doable, but is it worth it in the longer term? At this point, I don't see it.


Vince,
the following is an example of a very common and real situation (we have discussed that in another post)
A hotel offers two types of rooms with different features and price. Room A and Room B.
With the way Jomres works right now, is it possible to create two different tariffs for these two rooms with just one resource type? Creating a different type of resource for each room is not an option as it is actually the same thing, a room.
Thank you



or have it another way by moving the number of room allotments (availability) to tarrifs and we can just name tariffs into room trade name, it is impossible to sell rooms online without availability and in my opionion this is a huge limitation in jomres.
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3 years 1 day ago #39643 by otka
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Agree, I have also a lot of the same type of rooms with different prices. I must make another type of room, with spaces, this is spoilling the design, but this is the only solution by now, and there for I can't use searching by room types.
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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #39756 by cedric
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vince,
what's the purpose of creating room names if you cant attached a tariff on it, i created standard single and deluxe single all mapped to room single bed global room type, creating tariff for this 2 room name is next to impossible as tariff also points to single bed global room type. please advise alternative solution for this kind of situation or developer who could make a plugin.
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2 years 11 months ago #39758 by Nikos C
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I understand that changing the way Jomres works is very difficult.
Maybe a solution to this isssue would be if a manager had the right to create "Room Types". Right now only admim can do that.
I have made a post about that in "Features requests"
www.jomres.net/forum/Feature-requests/24...to-create-room-types
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2 years 9 months ago #40649 by david
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+1 for this request

We are getting our head around jomres, we believe it's a great application, however, and we are probably doing something wrong with this, we have trouble setting the prices. Our setup is multitenant we have several businesses who may have several property types, some property types obviously have "room types", however the price is not fixed at this level but at lower level (when you name the room in fact) an example

A organization own an hotel and 3 cabins, cabins is a room types, however we have several cabins, the red cabin, blue cabin and the green cabin. Each of them have different prices, if we understand the relationships, prices are actually setup at the higher level, the room types.

Our question is how can we have different prices for each of the cabin (the blue, the red and the green) if the price is setup at room types and not when you create one room (room name) in each room type ?
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2 years 9 months ago - 2 years 9 months ago #40655 by Mike L
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I believe that give all manager the possibility of creating themselves a room type complicate enormously the users searches by creating drop down menus of 1-mile-long within filters. For this reason, the rooms type must be managed by the administrators as it is right now.
The solution i according to this problem is really be able to fix prices on room names of each property, who’s actually relate to room type. Vince, you actually made a remarkable work with Jomres, however it is quite impossible to manage a reservation portal if this point is not fixed. I think that should be pretty simple to do in the core application without big change. The properties owners cannot currently manage their own stock prices. In my opinion all the peoples here are right, this is a major issue, and unless there another way, i did'nt see, this must be corrected if you want your application really mutualized and allow to manage Multi Types Properties Portal
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2 years 9 months ago - 2 years 9 months ago #40657 by Vince Wooll
Replied by Vince Wooll on topic Tariff per room name

david wrote:
A organization own an hotel and 3 cabins, cabins is a room types, however we have several cabins, the red cabin, blue cabin and the green cabin. Each of them have different prices, if we understand the relationships, prices are actually setup at the higher level, the room types.


This depends on how you're offering the cabins for rental. As you're no doubt aware, Jomres offers multiple property types, what we refer to internally MRPs and SRPs. MRPs are things like hotels, B&Bs Pensins, where you would normally rent a room in a property for a period. SRPs are properties that are rented out completely for the period (e.g. apartment/villa/cottage), when the booking is made.

Cabins would be treated like SRPs, in that you should create one "virtual" cabin for each real cabin. When you do that, regardless of whether it's a blue cabin or a red cabin or a green one, you can offer different prices for each one ( for example, the one right next to the lake would be worth more than the one at the back of the site).

It sounds to me like you're trying to offer all cabins in one MRP, treating cabins like rooms, and whilst that's often suitable for some people, you're probably unintentionally robbing yourself of the opportunity to fully set prices as you'd like.

Treat each cabin as an apartment/villa ( SRP ) and you'll be able to set prices as you wish for each cabin, independently.

So, in your hypothetical situation, an organisation would create one hotel like property, plus 3 cabins, not one complete property with rooms & cabins all mixed into the same form.

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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #42464 by Sergey
Replied by Sergey on topic Tariff per room name
Hello! Vince, we are ready to do the work on the revision of the code jomres. And to provide the result of our work to all Jomres users. I need some tips from You Vince. I hope You will help me to understand your code.

So, we want to implement the idea: 1 room = 1 price (tariff).

Described in this thread the problem can be solved in this way. For this, we are taught to identify jomres one room with only one price tariff. Now when you create rates of rate, jomres provides a list of created rooms and you can choose one of them to this room and will be added to the tariff. In the original version of jomres were given a list of types of rooms and tariff was created for all rooms of this type.

Now in control panel real estate Manager can create any number of rooms, each room can have its own unique price rate, even if all the rooms are of the same type.

These rooms can be booked from the control panel, kaledar availability is filled on the front side, it's all good.

We have a problem that when booking with the front - not visible rooms. On the page dobooking do not the available options. We are unable to extract a vacant room. Therefore a visitor (not registered user) is unable to complete the booking.

Could you tell me the name of the functions, which provide the conclusion of room on the page dobooking.

This topic describes the problem: we have 1 hotel, 2 separate body in each is the room category is standard room. The room rate in the housing 1 differs from the value of the same rooms at the 2 building, with rooms in both the buildings of this hotel is absolutely the same one. It's too common situation that would be to ignore it.
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2 years 5 months ago #42466 by Nikos C
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Dear Sergey,

changing the core of Jomres is a lot of work. I believe that the easiest way to solve this issue, is to give property managers the right to create room types. Each manager will have its own room types and this will overcome the above problem.
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2 years 5 months ago #42467 by Sergey
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Dear Nikos C
Anyway, that's a job I want to do. Not really, you'll be able to answer some of my questions on the core architecture? Code very much, but I'm only a few months use Jomres. For me, much still remains a mystery in the structure of the system.
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2 years 5 months ago #42471 by Nikos C
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Sergey wrote: Dear Nikos C
Anyway, that's a job I want to do. Not really, you'll be able to answer some of my questions on the core architecture?


No, I can not help you with that.
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2 years 5 months ago #42473 by Sergey
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And the reason?
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2 years 5 months ago #42474 by Nikos C
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I am sorry, my previous answer sounded impolite.
I can not help because I don't know how.

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2 years 5 months ago #42476 by Sergey
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This question can help Vince or time. We are now busy solving this problem, and solve it anyway, with or without Vince.

Maybe Vince is not interested in what I'd laid out the way of solving to this forum, so do not want to help me?
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2 years 5 months ago #42477 by Rodrigo Rocco
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Hi Sergey did you read the top alert take.ms/dtDWP ??

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2 years 5 months ago #42484 by Sergey
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Hi Rodrigo.
No doubt, this message is not lost on me. The fact that I have exhausted the questions, so I don't ask them in the ticket system. You might be interested in my offer:
I ask questions - you answer, in return I give you the result of the development. At the moment I'm already in the stage of completion of the process of revision of the kernel: 1 room = 1 price rate. Therefore, this subject may not participate in the agreement, which I described above. But there are still a few interesting places that need improvement.
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2 years 5 months ago #42487 by Marinhio
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Its not the question that somebody dont want your work, but i get a little bit lets say confused if you want to prog some really into core deep going functions and you have no clue what to do or where to search. And changes at the core files and keep them actuall is a terrible business with jomres. So if you make those changes keep in mind that this is a business for a longer periode...
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2 years 5 months ago #42489 by Sergey
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Not quite.
Jomres as Joomla and have a lot of files and lots of code. In the case of the Joomla - questions asked, she is studied far and wide. But Jomres - has this unfamiliar architecture. It is clear that you can make out even the most poor quality code (I'm not talking specifically about Jomres). But how long will that take time? Familiarity with the logic of the programmer in the process of reading the code in parallel and test their insights in a practical example - it takes a tremendous amount of time.
Much promptly you can solve the problem, if there is a tip - tip. I'm not saying that I'd need detailed instructions and other tedious explanations of how and what works. I say that for me the decision (operational decision) tasks only need advice.

For example the decision of the task of modernizing the core Jomres. Where I added the possibility to consolidate the price tariff for the type of accommodation (type of room) and specific room (bathroom). Each room can now have its own unique tariff (price). The process of creating a price tariff does not exclude the possibility to add a price rate to a multitude of rooms (rooms) - as it was Renoise. With my revision - the owner of the object (ownership) can fix the price for each room or if you want all rooms within the same type of rooms.

It was not hard to do, I quickly found all the places in the code. But! Very long time looking for features that provide the output (display) of room on the page DOBOOKING to reserve. The method of blind trial - found, tested - not suitable - seek further = requires a lot of time.
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6 months 5 days ago #46993 by Hamlet
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Did you achieve something? I'm really interested on that.

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